Yesterday, VIA was informed by CN that there may be safety issues with Siemens Venture trains not shunting properly.
LET'S TALK ABOUT SHUNT
Shunt is basically the act of a locomotive and or rail car completing (shunting) the circuit in a section of signaled track to show occupancy. Signal systems are divided more or less into blocks or varying lengths, depending on the territory. When there is no train in a block, the block will show as "clear". When a train enters the block, the wheels and axles bridge the "gap" between the 2 rails, completing the circuit and showing that the block is occupied. The act of the wheels and axles completing the circuit is called shunting.
Why is this important? Well, if a train loses shunt or shunts intermittently, that can create lots of problems for the signaling system! Lineside signals, crossing protection, every warning device relies on block occupancy and shunt to function properly. Passenger equipment is, on average, much lighter than freight equipment, and can lose shunt more easily. This is why railroads like CN and CSX have imposed minimum axle counts in passenger trains (usually 20 axles or more), because they were having issues with passenger trains failing to shunt signals and or crossing protection. This is also the reason why railroads usually limit single light engine moves to 30 mph or less, as a single locomotive moving faster than that can run the risk of losing shunt. This has happened with single locomotives running light in an approach-lit signal block. The locomotive lost shunt and the signal actually shut off for a few seconds before flicking back on!
Why is CN stipulating 32 axles as a minimum for Venture trains on its lines? What is the right train length based on testing? At some point, longer is better: as each wheel passes over a piece of rail, the contact area on the rail gets increasingly cleaner. A lesser number of wheels cannot provide enough cleaning. This is complicated by the absence of tread brakes on Ventures. Wheels cannot get completely clean; nothing is there to scrub the wheels' face. And because the contact patch of the wheel is variable in lateral movement, they never get clean enough to ensure proper continuity.
This appears to be a problem that only CN is experiencing, largely due to the design of its signal system. Other railways' signal system designs don't suffer from the same drawbacks. CN requires a minimum of 12 axles for track-speed operation of a movement. That explains this odd assemblage I observed back in June - the shortest freight train ever! Actually a deadhead movement of a spare locomotive to assist a freight train, and a freight car plucked out of Belleville yard and tacked on the tail-end got it there faster, at "close to track speed"!
VIA ISSUES ITS FIRST SYSTEM NOTICE
On October 11, 2024 VIA released the following document, which references a CN document entitled 'Venture Equipment Crossing Supplement' which is available to CN employees operating on the Great Lakes and Champlain Districts, under CN Timetables and Special Instructions. Here is the text of the VIA document:
System Notice No. VN24-022 dated October 11, 2024
VENTURE EQUIPMENT - RULE 103.1(f) ON CN TERRITORY
Our host railway, CN has issued restrictions on our Venture fleet related to a potential risk of short warning times on crossings equipped with Grade Crossing Predictors (GCPs). Such crossings utilize technology to estimate your train's speed to determine a sufficient warning time for vehicular or pedestrian traffic. While we continue to work with all stakeholders to resolve this issue as soon as possible, we must convey these restrictions.
The first priority, as always, is the safety of your train. We understand these conditions will introduce additional distractions and competing priorities. We must ensure we remain focused at all times to comply with these restrictions. VIA understands and anticipates that significant delays may be experienced and wants to reaffirm our expectation that our crews will take their time to ensure no restrictions are missed.
CROR Rule 103.1(f): When advised by special instructions that rusty rail or other conditions may exist, occupancy of crossings with automatic warning devices must be manually protected unless it its known that warning devices have been operating for at least 20 seconds.
The VIA Venture Equipment Crossing Supplement can be found [online]. We are also working to provide paper copies of this document at all reporting locations. [Additional bullet points below]
- All trains in possession of a General Bulletin Order instructing you to comply with the Venture Equipment Crossing Supplement must comply with these restrictions at all specified crossing locations.
- At this time, the restriction only applies to Venture trainsets with less than 32 axles. Mixed consists and those consisting exclusively of Legacy equipment (LRC/HEP/Renaissance) equipment are not affected.
- We can't just add more Venture cars. Due to existing reservations and planning constraints, we are limited in our ability to extend trains on short notice. That said, we are doing all we can to minimize impact through all available means.
- The document refers to a shunt enhancer. VIA is actively engaging with suppliers to evaluate and procure these devices. New technology is under development and becoming available to mitigate these risks. At this time, however, we can confirm that no VIA Rail Venture trains are equipped with shunt enhancers.
- These restrictions were not communicated to VIA in advance, and we continue to exhaust all avenues to resolve this issue as quickly as possible. VIA's commitment to safety remains steadfast and we will work with all stakeholders to address any safety concerns.
VIA ISSUES ITS SECOND SYSTEM NOTICE
On October 13, 2024 VIA released an additional, clarifying document.
Here is the text of the additional VIA document:
System Notice No. VN24-023 dated October 13, 2024
VENTURE EQUIPMENT - CN INFRASTRUCTURE RESTRICTIONS
Further to Friday's notice related to restrictions imposed by CN, we have been monitoring train performance to measure the impact on our services. Unfortunately, the results indicate a potential widespread misapplication/misunderstanding of the rule. Venture trains subject to these restrictions MUST approach each identified crossing prepared to stop until it can be confirmed that A[utomatic] W[arning] D[evice]s have been operating for 20 seconds. This applies to ALL crossings identified in the [CN Great Lakes/Champlain District Special Instruction] "VIA Venture Equipment Crossing Supplement" document. To be frank, this cannot be accomplished if you are operating at, or close to, maximum track speed.
In order to ensure proper and consistent application of these restrictions and until further notice, the following additional restriction is in effect and will be monitored for compliance:
In addition to the requirements of Rule 103.1(f), all affected movements governed by the VIA VENTURE EQUIPMENT CROSSING SUPPLEMENT must not exceed 45 mph from one-quarter mile of each crossing identified. Acceleration may only commence AFTER passing the one-quarter mile and after confirming AWDs have been operating for a minimum of 20 seconds.
Note: The 45 mph restriction may not provide sufficient speed restriction to permit stopping in the event of insufficient warning time at the crossing. When encountering inclement weather or extended braking distances (e.g. rail contamination such as falling leaves), a slower speed may be required.
We understand these restrictions pose a significant burden and inconvenience, but they are necessary to protect the situation. We appreciate your understanding while we work with CN and with Transport Canada to resolve this situation as quickly as possible.
CN'S "VIA VENTURE EQUIPMENT CROSSING SUPPLEMENT"
Here is the text of the CN document referred to in VIA's October 11 System Notice:
Unless operating with 32 axles or shunt enhancer, the following crossing mileages listed under each Subdivision must be manually protected unless it is known that warning devices have been operating for at least 20 seconds as per CROR 103.1 (f). Applicable on the following Subdivisions: Dundas, Chatham, Guelph, Halton, Strathroy, Kingston, York, New Market [sic], St Hyacinthe, Montreal, Drummondville.
There follows a l-o-n-g list of over 300 crossing mileages. There are 86 crossings on the CN Kingston Sub list alone, beginning at Mi.17. In this area: Counter Street, pedestrian crossing at Frontenac S.S., Collins Bay Rd., Coronation Blvd., not County Road 6 then only one other crossing between Ernestown and Napanee. So it's not every crossing, but it's A LOT of crossings. For a train routinely doing 80 mph, slowing to 45 mph or less 86 times will likely total the 30-60 minute delays VIA is telling its passengers about. There are, for instance, eight such crossings in a five-mile stretch of track east of Belleville.
[As for monitoring crew compliance by VIA, just think....VIA managers can sit at their consoles in Montreal or at home, monitoring Venture train speed in real-time using VIA's own Arrivals & Departures website feature that displays location and speeds at one-minute intervals!]
Transport Canada regulations prescribe the recording of data for warning system operation at grade crossings in their Grade Crossing Handbook. This data is recorded and stored for 30 days within grade crossing warning system monitoring devices. It is likely this data that CN has reviewed, and found some crossings in Southwest Ontario that were not activated by Venture-equipped trains, thus resulting in their VIA Venture Equipment Crossing Supplement requirements.
SHUNT ISSUES ELSEWHERE - AMTRAK & CN
In mid-August, 2023 the latest instalment of an ongoing series of tests was staged out of Canadian National’s Effingham yard in southern Illinois. The sessions, attempting to seek a permanent solution for locations where loss-of-shunt issues are ongoing, were attended by participants from CN; Amtrak; the Federal Railroad Administration; the Illinois and California transportation departments, and equipment vendors. The effort was led by CN.
At that time, CN said that extensive testing had indicated that the random loss-of-shunt detection events experienced by single-level passenger equipment [on CN lines] in the US was due to the absence of sufficient contact area between the wheels of passenger trains and the rail head. The wheel profile of a passenger car has a smaller contact area, which CN says contributes to loss-of-shunt. The smaller contact area on the wheel profile of passenger equipment, combined with short and light trains, prevents the systematic sufficient transmission of current necessary to activate fully operational and FRA compliant railway crossings.
In September, 2023 there were issues in the US with various Amtrak trains not properly shunting track ("loss-of-shunt") to trigger warning signals at level crossings. Addressing why Superliners were required on the Illini-Saluki route, the company asserts, “Due to the safety concerns, CN required either the use of heavier equipment or lowering the maximum operating speed at grade crossings for single-level equipment on this route. This was the responsible thing to do to ensure safe operations.” The speed restriction does not apply with Superliners, which were found to consistently shunt the circuit. Events occur where the combination of consistently trued wheel profile, lightweight equipment, and minimal axle counts are present. It is false to claim it only happens on some routes, as any route with these aspects present would likely result in random loss-of-shunt events.
John Black, a member of the Loss-of-Shunt Technical Committee, reached out to Trackside Treasure with additional information, including a link to this Federal Railroad Administration (FRA) 1993 report [spoiler - dullness warning, according to John!] The temporary loss-of-shunt (which may cause deactivation) in grade crossing warning devices, while the train spans the crossing, created a question of reliability in the minds of individuals dependent on them. For this reason, the railroad signal community asked the AAR Research and Test Department, in co-operation with the FRA, to study the loss of shunt problem. The report describes work results and recommends future direction for FRA-funded efforts, also describing AAR/Committee-funded efforts.
Going way back to the days of the RDCs, loss of shunt was a problem with both grade crossings and CTC circuits. This is where the investigations were started, but they really didn't pick up any co-ordinated effort until an Amtrak train on CN tracks in Michigan hit a vehicle and killed the occupants. There had been several documented reports of activation failures at this crossing with no apparent equipment malfuncton found. The US Federal Regulator found CN at fault, which was the start of mandated minimum-axle counts, and CN was directed to lead an industry-wide task force to find mitigations for the loss of shunt issue.
Following CN's lead, other railroads initiated minimum-axle counts for passenger trains on certain subdivisions. This has impacted regional trains, which are now mostly funded by the States, and having to lug around an empty car adds a significant cost to the operations already struggling post-pandemic.
Loss-of-shunt issue is a real concern, and it affects the lighter passenger equipment moreso than the freight equipment, or even VIA's Legacy passenger equipment.
Why? First, passenger equipment is maintained and inspected to a higher standard to that of freight equipment, especially when it comes to wheels and ride quality. Wheel profiles are maintained to a much stricter standard on passenger equipment to provide superior ride quality. In doing this, it moves the wheel to rail contact patch higher up onto the rail head, out of the normal freight wheel back and forth slog. The tops of rail are hardened, and as such are much harder to clear of contaminents, so a few short passenger trains of a lighter weight are not enough to polish the hardened rail heads, and keep them free of contaminant.
Secondly, Most of the railroads have in their special instructions, minimum axle counts for trains and engine movements, and some even have speed restrictions associated with the minimums. This is due to loss-of-shunt.
So, it is no surprise the CN has forced VIA to add axles to the Venture train sets. Even though the trainsets may be activating the circuits adequately, it is a policy CN has adopted system-wide to show they are addressing the issue until vehicle-borne shunt-enhancing systems can be deployed.
John kindly shared two photos of the second-round February, 2023 testing on CN with Amtrak California F59PHI 2007 i,n Pontiac MI. CN set up a short track [Loss-Of-Shunt Test Track] on which controlled tests could be run with all manufacturers' grade crossing predictors. Both Siemens and Alstom also sent their representatives to work with CN for this testing, as well as the mainline testing in Michigan and Illinois. [Thank you, John!]
LET'S TALK ABOUT SHUNT SOME MORE
How can this still be a problem after all the trains operating on many railroads for decades, including lightweight RDC's, Turbo trains, and other trains with single-level equipment? I suspect the lawyers were involved and crossing gates must work 100% of the time. If I'm driving over a level crossing, even 99% is not good enough. Who can forget VIA's operational challenges during the ADtranz Flexliner demonstration period in 1996-97? There were early technical problems - signals not being activated due to the cars' light weight, which led to a Transport Canada-mandated withdrawal from service on September 30. Flexliner trainsets could apparently 'disappear' from dispatcher's computer monitors! The units were stored until further testing took place in early October. Composite brake shoes were replaced by steel brake shoes.
VIA Venture trains have tread shoes as well as disc brakes. Charger locomotives have disc brakes, however they are also equipped with a tread scrubber, which is barely visible. It's a small brake-shoe that keeps the tread clean. It is controlled by the software and comes on/off automatically during AB applications. It's very effective at keeping the tread clean (according to 'flannel87' on reddit).
There are various technologies mentioned online but I'm not enough of a S&C expert to say which ones work, are likely to be implemented or apply to this current situation. But that's not going to stop me from wondering what we're likely to see trackside. Trainorders site provided excellent information on the evolution of three different technologies involved in crossing circuits:
Old-style AC/DC crossing circuits with insulated joints that acted as an on/off switch. The train hit the circuit and turned on the protection. It was fixed and had simple relays. The insulated joints were marked out to the distance of the fastest moving train speed which set the minimum warning time of about 30 seconds. So an 80 mph passenger train would have a 30 second warning and a slow crawling freight would have a far longer gate down or flasher on time, which many times encouraged motorists to go around the gates or run the crossing. Very hazardous situation.
Sensors are electronic circuitry that are more advanced than the AC/DC, and sense a train when it hits the circuit controlled by shunts.
Predictors evolved in order to take into account varying train speeds and keeping gate and flasher times consistent so that an 80 mph train and a 20 mph train will have the same warning times. They are more sensitive than sensors and if there are problems then they can be switched to sensor mode only, but that then gives shorter warning time for fast trains and longer warning time for slow trains. This is a common thing as sometimes conditions are such that the predictor mode has to be turned off due to false activations. Turning the current up as mentioned above makes the crossing more sensitive, but also enhances the issue of a false activation, causing more issues.
CN could also add loss-of-shunt timers or enable loss-of-shunt programming in the predictors. These features have been built into most predictors since the year 2000. Siemens makes crossing signal safety products. Perhaps VIA's Venture sets will have to be equipped with Siemens shunt enhancers.
Shunt enhancers are coils above each rail which induce an electromagnetic field that pushes more current through the wheels and axles, thereby overcoming contact issues and helping along the track circuit current. FRA regulations only permit flexible non-metallic sand pipe extension tips and trip cock arms to extend that close to the railhead. The shunt-enhancer antenna, which injects a 2- to 4-amp, 165-kHz signal into each rail to amplify current for a circuit that activates signals and highway warning devices, would be installed above the 2.5-inch threshold. But other factors like worn wheels and dynamic profiles might cause the device to protrude lower, hence the need for a FRA waiver.
AMTRAK APPROVES SHUNT FUNDING
In a September, 2024 letter, the FRA conditionally approved Amtrak’s waiver request that will allow installation of shunt enhancing antennas in a decision letter. The conditions are significant, requiring further testing, procedural changes and documentation before using the antennas in revenue service. Amtrak requested a waiver from 49 CFR § 229.71, Clearance above top of rail, to implement the locomotive-mounted Track Circuit Assister Shunt Enhancer (TCA SE). Section 229.71 states that no part or appliance of a locomotive (excepting “the wheels, flexible non-metallic sand pipe extension tips, and trip cock arms”) may be within 2.5 inches from the top of rail. Amtrak seeks to install the shunt enhancer on its fleet of Siemens Charger SF4 locomotives. Amtrak explained that under conditions of worn wheels and dynamic profiles, the mechanical and electrical hardware of the TCA SE could protrude below 2.5 inches from the top of rail.
FRA’s field investigation included a visit to Amtrak’s facilities and interviews with Amtrak staff. Interviews confirmed that potentially, the TCA SE can get as low as 1.19 inches, with the current design showing 1.21 inches ATR. The TCA SE is made of 3 millimeters of thin copper coated tubing that injects a signal into the rail. The tubing is aligned between the lead and trailing wheelsets of the truck and is protected from physical damage, as it is not extending beyond the plane of the wheel on either side. FRA technical staff concluded that the TCA SE is adequately protected from potential physical damage. When properly installed and the alignment inspected during calendar day inspections, there is no risk of antenna interference with the wheel/rail interface. In the case of damage due to a foreign object or track structure component impact, the TCA SE tubing will potentially deform and deviation of its designed geometry will trigger fault indication on the control box. In the event of a break of the tubing, the loss of signal from the drive box under each truck to shunt assist boxes in the engine room will de-energize the antenna.
The Board determined that granting Amtrak’s request is in the public interest and consistent with railroad safety. Accordingly, the Board grants the waiver from § 229.71, subject to the following conditions:
1. Amtrak must finish failure and risk analysis of the design (PFMCA), review the PFMCA with FRA’s Office of Railroad Safety, and implement any mitigation measures prior to installation of the TCA SE on the Siemens Charger SF4 locomotive fleet.
2. ATR clearance must not be less than 1.19 inches at any time.
3. The following requirements must be added to Amtrak’s inspection requirements for the Siemens Charger SF4 locomotive fleet:
a. TCA SE system test, components, and securement elements to the periodic inspection work scope.
b. TCA SE visual inspection to the mechanical calendar day inspection requirements.
c. TCA SE health indicator light functionality to the mechanical calendar day inspection requirements.
4. Testing of the TCA SE on the Siemens Charger SF 4 on mainline track must be performed with adequate safety protection, including speed restrictions and absolute block protection, until it is confirmed that the TCA SE does not interfere with the governing signaling system and equipped highway-rail grade crossings on the test route(s).
5. Amtrak must submit a report to FRA and the public docket for this waiver that verifies and validates the improvement in shunting performance realized through installation of the TCA SE on the Siemens Charger SF 4 locomotive, including supporting data and test results.
6. Amtrak must submit a report to FRA 30 days prior to commencement of revenue service of an equipped TCA SE Siemens Charger SF 4 locomotive that documents the results of signal and grade crossing interference testing on each route that a TCA SE-equipped Siemens Charger SF 4 locomotive operates, confirming no interference with the normal functioning of the signal and grade crossing systems. Simultaneous with submission to FRA, Amtrak must also upload the report to the public docket for this waiver.
7. Amtrak must demonstrate the overall hardware and software system safety of the TCA SE equipped Siemens Charger SF 4 locomotive in accordance with Amtrak’s hardware and software safety program1 and make the results available to FRA upon request.
8. Amtrak must initiate a formalized reporting procedure for employees witnessing or experiencing a LOS event following installation of the equipment, conduct a detailed analysis following any LOS incident, and report the findings to FRA’s Signal, Train Control and Crossing Division.
9. For any other classes of power on which Amtrak intends to install the TCA SE, Amtrak must first obtain FRA approval for the installation.
FRA funding for shunt-enhancers was announced in late-October. The FRA’s Consolidated Rail Infrastructure and Safety Improvements (CRISI) granted $58.8 million to Amtrak to install Onboard Shunt Enhancement devices on 443 locomotives and 192 cab cars to prevent trains from losing shunt, which can cause problems with signal and crossing-gate activation, part of a $2.4B announcement. By my math, $93,000 US per installation. Maybe less if some of that is program costs or other budget wizardry. The funding award is a separate process that does not imply that Amtrak has fulfilled the conditions enabling use of the antennas in revenue service.
VIA has previously removed the sand pipes from its 900-series P42 fleet and its 6400-series F40 fleet.
THE PRESENT: REAL-TIME UPDATES OF THE EFFECT ON VIA'S CORRIDOR OPERATIONS
It's interesting that this issue has cropped up in the same week that Venture equipment operated into Southwest Ontario on VIA train Nos 71, 76, 84 and 87 for the first time in regular revenue service. Could be a coincidence. Remember this photo? In light of recent events, it makes one wonder why it was run.
In the whole panoply of Siemens Venture implementation, which began Montreal-Ottawa service on November 8, 2022 and Ottawa-Toronto service on September 21, 2023, crossing issues have taken nearly two years to surface. It remains to be seen how VIA will handle this operationally. Some ideas for VIA:
- Bring every Venture train to a stop for 20 seconds at every such level crossing before proceeding. (20% likely, 100% effective)
- Manually flag every such level crossing (that's a lot of climbing up and down from the cab!) (20% likely, 100% effective)
- Don't use Venture equipment. (0% likely, 100% effective)
- Add additional Venture cars to Venture consists. (90% likely, 100% effective)
- Add additional LRC or HEP cars to Venture consists (would not provide adequate between-car bearing monitoring of the entire consist)
- Return sidelined LRCs to service, replacing Ventures temporarily (retrograde solution?).
- Install shunt enhancers (being tested on Amtrak with no FRA approval yet).
- Install scrubbers on Venture wheels (to clean wheel treads in the absence of brake shoes).
- Increase the current CN signal design's shunt voltage (would require CN's approval and $ to implement).
- ...other creative solutions...watch this space!
SAT. OCT.12 NOON UPDATE:
Delays of up to one hour on every schedule are anticipated, a the shunt is about to hit the fan. VIA passengers with existing bookings are being contacted by email in order to rebook on a connection that builds in the anticipated delays. (Hmmm, that's just how the initial Buffer Car era was ushered in. Pet owners with existing booking being told they can't access Fido or Fluffy on the trip because the baggage car is not off limits as a buffer car!) Guaranteed bookings in the VIA reservation system have been nixed.
Here's the boilerplate text of the emails sent to passengers by VIA:
"Hello. We are reaching out to you regarding your upcoming trip on board train xx. VIA Rail Canada would like to advise its passengers that we are currently experiencing delays on certain trains due to unexpected speed restrictions imposed by CN, the railway infrastructure owner. Delays of 30 to 60 minutes are possible on trains travelling on the Quebec City-Windsor Corridor on October xx, 2024. [info on tracking the train in real time] We thank you for your understanding and look forward to welcoming you on board."
Chat text from VIA's 'message us' section of its website. The information on the potential delays is indeed the sole province of some ticket-holders as of now:
All VIA trains were on time in the Corridor Saturday. And Sunday.
SUN. OCT.13 NOON UPDATE:
VIA now has a message on their service status page which reads: "We are currently experiencing delays of 30-60 minutes on certain Corridor trains due to unexpected speed restrictions imposed by CN, the railway infrastructure owner" (see revised delays under Oct.20's update). Another chat text with VIA was less clear and helpful: "The notice you received was just to advise you of a possible delay, there may be none at all. There is no problem with the tracks they are just undergoing routine maintenance. So far everything is good, it shouldn't be too major but this is where you can track the train in real time" and mentioning the Arrivals & Departures Schedule part of the VIA website. "If there is a delay it will be indicated here even if it's before the scheduled departure time. We never know honestly, delays usually happen live in the moment if we could predict them we wouldn't be delayed lol".
MON. OCT.14 NOON UPDATE:
Go Slower! Get later! Venture-equipped trains are starting to slow for crossings as prescribed by the CN document that VIA refers to. On Mondays, 12 Venture-equipped trains ply the CN Kingston Sub. On-Time Performance (OTP) ranged widely: 9, 9, 15, 17, 22, 26, 34, 35, 38, 43 and 58 minutes late. VIA No 59 departed Ottawa 45 minutes late, arriving 1 hr 17 mins. late.
Average OTP = 28 minutes late.
This morning, TRAINS News Wire discussed the topic albeit with three inaccuracies:
- "Apparently triggered by one or more incidents in which a VIA Rail Canada Venture trainset failed to activate highway crossing warning devices..." [no source given]
- "VIA has standardized each Siemens-built trainsets with one cab car coach, three 'economy' coaches and one business-class car." [two economy, two business]
- Sources tell...there were a minimal number of disruptions on Saturday and Sunday, with HEP-2 heritage coaches appearing on several trains as axle-count cars. [no source given, curiously "corrected" the next day to read: "...sources were unable to confirm a report HEP-2 heritage coaches were to be used on some trains as axle-count cars."
TUE. OCT.15 UPDATE:
Venture-equipped trains are definitely slowing. OTP of today's 10 Ventures varied less than Monday's: 21*, 33, 35+, 38*,39, 39*,40*,44, 46* and 46 minutes late (*delays between Brockville and Ottawa for these trains not included in total run OTP).
Average OTP = 38 minutes late.
WED. OCT.16 UPDATE:
The first of two townhall meetings was held by VIA leadership yesterday. Even VIA has no idea where the Venture edict from CN came from! VIA's legal counsel is now involved.
What compliance looks like...VIA No 644 slows through 50 mph, 37 mph and 48 mph (respectively) at three of the local level crossings CN has placed VIA Venture Rule 103.1(f) speed restrictions on (three labelled screenshots - below). VIA's software updates once per minute, so speed over each crossing may differ slightly. [72 km/h = 45 mph]
Today's eight Venture-equipped trains' OTP have reached a new high in lateness: 34, 40*, 47, 47, 55, 55, 68, 69+ (*delays between Brockville and Ottawa for these trains not included in total run OTP; + not yet at final destination).
Average OTP = 52 minutes late.
A quick check of other subdivisions showed many Legacy-equipped trains minimally late, but Venture-equipped trains:
- No 78 to Windsor - 33 minutes late; No 73 to Toronto - 33 minutes late.
- Nos 20 and 26 to Quebec City - 31 minutes late.
- No 84 to Sarnia - 25 minutes late.
The first media report I've seen is today's CTV Ottawa news story. Spokespersons from CN and VIA both made claims in the article (below):'
- CN advised VIA Rail in October, 2021 that operating at a 24-axle count could create issues. This has proven to be the case.
- CN confirmed in March, 2024 that operating at 24-axles created shunting issues [they] immediately notified VIA and took necessary measures to protect the public by reverting to CN’s 32-axle minimum requirement, or imposing restrictions on the designated routes on which VIA was operating Ventures.
- CN discovered on October 11, 2024 that Venture train sets were operating in expanded service over crossings which may experience shunt loss and then be unprotected. [presumably a reference to CN routes in Southwest Ontario]
- VIA countered saying no incidents or issues at level crossings have been reported since the Venture trains entered service.
- VIA says it continues to engage in constructive dialogue with CN to find solutions to this situation.
THU. OCT.17 UPDATE:
When the going gets tough...VIA takes to social media to announce two new Sat.-Sun. Venture-equipped trains 624 and 637 between Ottawa and Quebec City.
Montreal's La Presse published a news story, containing no new revelations beyond the CTV News article, except that there are 65 crossings between Montreal and Quebec, though not clear whether all these are subject to the CN-imposed speed reductions.
Global News published an online news story with similar information, although it mentions only 16 Venture sets are in service.
TRAINS News Wire published another article with at least one obvious error, referring to Transport Action Canada's David Jeanes' commenting on the CTV Ottawa report about crossing speed restrictions as a "Transport Canada official". I can only suggest that the short timelines of online news reporting are short-circuiting rigorous reporting.
Today's nine Venture-equipped trains' OTP: 17*, 22, 26*, 28, 35, 51, 55, 62, 94+ (*delays between Brockville and Ottawa for these trains not included in total run OTP; + not yet at final destination). Most Ottawa-Toronto Ventures are fewer than 10 minutes late arriving Brockville.
Average OTP = 43 minutes late.
FRI. OCT.18 UPDATE
Today's 10 Venture-equipped trains' OTP: 38, 40+, 40*, 45, 48, 54, 61, 69#, 69+#, 73#,(*delays between Brockville and Ottawa for these trains not included in total run OTP; + not yet at final destination, #departed 20-30 minutes late).
Average OTP = 54 minutes late.
SUN. OCT.20 UPDATE
VIA has honed its OTP delays on its Train Service Status webpage:
MON. OCT.21 UPDATE
The National Post's Chris Selley published a story linking the Venture speed reductions to VIA's already slow and expensive Corridor service as a backdrop for the planned HSR/HFR. Interestingly, Chris had published a story on VIA's future almost two years ago, with the implementation of buffer cars being the backdrop.
Twelve-Venture Monday's OTP by Train No. (Minutes Late): 40(110?), 41(44), 42(44), 44(42), 45(54), 47(30), 48(83*), 54(81*), 59(70*), 641(50), 643 (116?), 644(24).
(Symbols *=departed 25-40 minutes late, ?delayed 1 hour plus west of Belleville)
WED. OCT.23 UPDATE
The list of which Corridor trains are Venture-equipped seems to have disappeared from the VIA webpage. Formerly under the New Fleet page, one could see an ever-growing list of trains per day as service expanded to Toronto, SW Ontario and more trainsets were added to the rotation. I think passengers are already trying to avoid booking on Venture-equipped departures! From reddit:
THURS. OCT.24 UPDATE
Unifor says, "VIA Rail recently announced delays along the Quebec City-Ottawa-Toronto corridor due to speed restrictions imposed on tracks owned and maintained by CN. The issue has drawn attention to the lack of regulatory oversight and CN’s dominant control over Canada’s rail infrastructure, impacting passenger rail services. Unifor believes that the government must reassert regulatory oversight to prevent freight operators from sidelining passenger rail services. The union continues to advocate for the investment in passenger rail infrastructure, fair regulation, and a rail network that puts Canadians’ needs first."
VIA has not only implemented two of my 'ideas' above and one of the 'predictions' below. They're about to implement a second - lengthening all or some of the Venture consists!
Rail Fans Canada has published an editorial on its website that strongly suggests CN's speed reductions are a somewhat-cynical power-play against VIA in an attempt to use its leverage to disrupt and discourage VIA from using CN tracks. CN and VIA are already in talks before the Canadian Transport Agency regarding track-access and fees thereof.
FRI. OCT.25 UPDATE
Access to Information request acknowledged by VIA's Access to Information & Privacy Co-Ordinator.
SUN. OCT.27 UPDATE
VIA website chat agents are short on specifics but long on optimism:
MON. OCT.28 UPDATE
Twelve-Venture Monday's OTP by Train No. (Minutes Late): 40(37), 41(102*), 42(30), 44(49), 45(45), 47(31), 48(34), 54(84), 59(148), 641(35*), 643 (45*), 644(42). (Symbols *=was on time Brockville) Average OTP = 39 minutes late.
TUE. OCT.29 UPDATE
Ten-Venture Tuesday's OTP by Train No. (Minutes Late): 40(53), 42(53), 45(74*), 47(39*), 48(46), 53(47*), 59(107?), 641(61), 643(43), 644(27). (Symbols *=was on time Brockville, ? departed 44 minutes late).
Average OTP = 55 minutes late.
WED. OCT.30 UPDATE
Federal Railroad Administration’s Consolidated Rail Infrastructure and Safety Improvements (CRISI) program today granted $58.8 million to Amtrak to install Onboard Shunt Enhancement devices on 443 locomotives and 192 cab cars to prevent trains from losing shunt, which can cause problems with signal and crossing-gate activation. By my math, that's $93,000 US per installation. Meanwhile, in Canada, ever-smiling Andrew Scheer this graphic to X (below). Can one anatomically-correct but misleading X-twitter graphic change everything!??
MON. NOV.4 UPDATE
(Now) Eleven-Venture Monday's OTP by Train No. (Minutes Late): 40(40), 41(76*), 42(37), 44(116*), 45(18 may not be a Venture), 47(39), 54(30), 59(58), 641(60), 643(60), 644(33). (Symbols *departed 20-30 minutes late).
Average OTP = 63 minutes late.
MON. NOV.11 UPDATE
Eleven-Venture Monday's OTP by Train No. (Minutes Late): 40(27), 41(46), 42(27), 44(83*), 45(56), 47(31), 54(107?), 59(62), 641(N/A), 643(39), 644(53). (Symbols *departed 20-30 minutes late; ?departed 51 minutes late).
Average OTP = 53 minutes late. Elsewhere: Quebec-Montreal 40; Quebec-Montreal-Ottawa 25 (though time often made up on Montreal-Ottawa segment); Toronto-Windsor 50.
WED. NOV.12 UPDATE
The Globe & Mail is reporting that VIA applied to federal court seeking a judicial review because no risk assessment or evidence has been provided by CN to substantiate the speed restrictions applied to the new Venture trains at certain grade crossings since October 11.
In a statement of claim, VIA says CN’s orders to slow down for 300+ level crossings in the Corridor, or lengthen its Venture trains is unreasonable and has no basis as a safety concern. (A statement of claim contains allegations that have not been tested in court.) VIA is seeking a judicial review of the rule, as well as a declaration it is not valid. VIA is also demanding any data or documents on which CN based its rule change. In its court filing, VIA contends CN does not have the authority to impose the rule, moreover that CN is required by law to operate warning systems that are capable of detecting all railway equipment. For its part, CN has yet to file a statement of defence.
“There is no evidence to suggest a safety risk associated with the operations of VIA’s Venture trains at grade crossings,” according to VIA's statement of claim, adding that CN's actions are "damaging VIA Rail’s reputation with travellers." VIA said it is adhering to CN’s rule, “despite the significant impact on train schedules and passengers”.
As a private sector infrastructure manager, CN remains unwilling to be collaborative and transparent about safety matters. It has also been alleged that CN is using this issue to apply pressure to VIA regarding the current adjudication of track access by the Canada Transportation Agency. If true, this situation would represent an unprecedented intermixing of commercial considerations and transportation safety. VIA said it has asked to see the analysis that led to the speed reductions, but CN has provided none. For VIA to have to go to court to obtain the data behind the rule change seems unbelievable. CN has also imposed the rules on Amtrak, where it operates on CN lines in the U.S. Siemens did not immediately respond to requests for comments.
Duelling spokespersons in the Canadian Press: a CN spokesperson said [questionably] the restrictions at rail crossings were put in place given the industry's experience and known risks associated with trains similar to VIA's Ventures. [And this groaner:] CN imposed the restrictions as soon as it was made aware VIA was running the trains [!!]. A VIA spokesperson noted that the Ventures have been in service on CN tracks for more than two years without any incidents at level crossings. VIA's communications director said the Crown corporation has yet to receive any concrete evidence or valid reasoning for the sudden imposition of these restrictions. A Southwest Ontario smoking gun...CN made the decision when it learned the new trains were traversing routes they had previously steered clear of. Not only should a sentence not be ended with a preposition, but perhaps CN got fired-up when the Venture implementation ended with revenue runs beginning on the Toronto-London and Toronto-Windsor routes. CN claims VIA has agreed to buy the equipment needed to fix the issue but is going ahead with the court challenge anyway. VIA disputes that it has made any such agreement.
MY PREDICTIONS - BASED ON EVERYTHING YOU'VE ALREADY READ
- probable SHORT-TERM SOLUTION: Continued speed restrictions at affected crossings. Venture trains will operate at the 30-60 minute late range, as publicized by VIA to its passengers.
- probable MEDIUM-TERM SOLUTION: Lengthening Venture consists with unused Venture cars. Especially if the news media or passengers demand changes to trains operating consistently late.
- probable LONG-TERM SOLUTION: Shunt-enhancer installation on Venture sets. VIA was seemingly not interested in participating in the testing and implementation of shunt enhancers.
THE FUTURE - INCREASED REGULATION (YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST)
It still remains to be seen whether the regulations will go higher up than CN, to Transport Canada in its oversight role in rail safety. Who knows, possibly requiring the release of a Section 19 Ministerial Order, just like the buffer cars did! Based on the text of VIA's second system notice, Transport Canada is involved. Stay tuned.
Running extra...
...to our Canadian readers, or to our American readers who like to eat turkey anytime and are just looking for an excuse. This is your weekend! In both our nations, regardless, we have much to be thankful for each and every day even if it's just a basic baloney sandwich instead of tempting turkey and all the fixings.
This Saturday morning, over coffee and the wafting of stuffing from the kitchen, I was all set to hit 'Publish' on part three of my Four Days in September six-post pop-up series. Your loss is your gain. This shunt story is a breaking story, and required you guess it, some shunting around of the draft posts ready to be published. Just a heads-up, another emerging post on VIA's August 10-hour delay involving a Venture set in Quebec will likely be another interruption to the Four Days series. Let's roll with the punches, here, or should I say shunt with the punches! Now for a joke that's perhaps better told live. Knock knock! Who's there? The Interrupting Cow! The Interrupting Cow wh....MOOOOOO!
It's not all about the 'likes' and 'views' here on Trackside Treasure. I was interested to see that sharing this post on train orders . com and Facebook, plus others sharing it to Twitter and the Urban Toronto discussion boards resulted in 1,570 views of this post in three days, the most since May 18's Ventures in Service Part 2, and 830 views on train orders . com, the most since a September 12 post about three commuter lines in Montreal being shut down!
Wonder if there is a difference depending on whether the trainset is locomotive-first or cabcar-first. Perhaps the higher weight of the locomotive makes a difference. Either way, I expect the media to make much out of this since they never fail to let a good "scandal" involving VIA go to waste.
ReplyDeleteGreat question, A. VIA seems to invite scrutiny into its 'scandals'. Largely by not being at all transparent with the facts as they happen. We don't know what has been communicated to VIA by CN to cause these operational changes. Maybe we will find out, maybe we won't. So important to stay tuned...
ReplyDeleteThanks for your comment,
Eric
Venture trainsets were tested across the entire Corridor a year or more before entering service and this has become a problem recently?
ReplyDeleteSteve Lucas
You're right to ask that question, Steve. We don't know what the testing parameters are/were, but surely crossing signal activation would be an important one to measure. I'm really questioning the timing of this measure and its implementation today. Why today?
ReplyDeleteThanks for your comment,
Eric
Is this restricted to CN only?
ReplyDeleteSiemens trains have been operating for a while in the US particularly in Florida and it seems strange that this suddenly appears on CN owned track
So claims that it isn’t host railroad infrastructure seem a bit premature even if it is the Siemens trainsets (both VIA and Amtrak) that get the burden of solving it
Yes, CN only, the majority of the infrastructure owners the Ventures operate on. Perhaps if VIA would tell us about the issue, or make Transport Canada tell us, we would know. Then we wouldn't have to speculate. We could debate whether it's fun to speculate, though!
ReplyDeleteThanks for your comment,
Eric
Eric, your contention that "Loss-of-shunt is not caused by any host railroad’s infrastructure." is incorrect.
ReplyDeleteThis is a CN-specific problem, caused by CN's own signal system design. It does not apply to any other railroad as their own signal designs don't have the same drawbacks.
It is this same reason why CN has long required a minimum of 12 axles to allow for a movement to operate at track speed.
Dan
Toronto, Ont.
Hi Dan,
ReplyDeleteI agree that contention was awkwardly-phrased. I appreciate the additional information.
Thanks for your comment!
Eric
"VIA has standardized each Siemens-built trainsets with one cab car coach, three 'economy' coaches and one business-class car." [two economy, two business]" Plus the locomotive, which makes 6 x 4 = 24 axles. That's 24 down, 8 to go.
ReplyDeleteWhat I'm drawing attention to there [my square brackets] is that each consist has two Business Class cars when manufactured. Often, especially on Ottawa trains, only one is in service. Bob Johnston's reporting on those numbers of cars mystified me!
ReplyDeleteThanks for your comment, Mark.
Eric
Perhaps six wheel trucks are in order to help with the axle count. Or you could convert a multi axle heavy duty flat car in to an open air observation/buffer car. That would make things interesting. Where's HEPX 200 when we need it?
ReplyDeleteHey, they're just numbers, so why not? I would *love* to see HEPX 200 going 80 mph, or any freight car for that matter.
ReplyDeleteI'm waiting for the other shoe to drop and for VIA to do something serious to resolve this issue. Stopping at 80+ crossings in one trip is excessively excessive.
Thanks for your comment, Eric,
Eric
Thanks for explaining this latest glitch in Via's operations. The technical details are fascinating in that I would have thought, upon reading your summary, that there may have been some indication that there was going to be a problem with these new trains. After all, as you point out, there was evidence from elsewhere to suggest there was a potential for something like this to happen. And from a casual rider's point of view, this is just another reason why Via is unreliable. I'm not saying this is the case, because as you point out, it's not entirely. But the casual rider will not see such distinctions in the Via boilerplate apology. It looks like weaselly corporate doublespeak to me. Just baffling that people on all sides could have allowed this to happen.
ReplyDeleteMichael
I'm hoping for more evidence, less boilerplate, less doublespeak, and definitely less baffling going on, Michael. Will we be satisfied? Too early to tell.
ReplyDeleteThe good news is, things can only get more transparent and operationally better for VIA from this point. I think!
Thanks for your comment,
Eric
I'm on Via 643 as i write this. Currently 20 minutes late as we approach Belleville. These restrictions certainly make for an interesting ride. We'll slow right down for crossings and then pick up speed again once we clear them. It feels very similar to being stuck in rush hour traffic on the 401. Lots of accelerating and then breaking. Thankfully, I'm in no rush to get to my destination but I do hope Via can clear things up with CN soon. Also noticing lots of J trains today. I guess there's crew shortages again. Never a dull day at Via eh?
ReplyDeleteThanks for the real time updates, Matthew! Excellent! And it's just what I expected - like teaching kids to drive - GAS! BRAKE! GAS! BRAKE! There's nothing to say the trip has to be a steady one, but you're noticing it so others are, too. VIA has done its best to blame it on CN, and CN is not forthcoming as to what I'm calling the 'smoking gun' that tipped the scales toward the restrictions.
ReplyDeleteAs of today, they're changed the expected delays shown on their website from 30-60 to 15-45 minutes. As I'm typing this, I see your train is expected to arrive 40 minutes late.
Thanks for your comment,
Eric
Could they operate more ventures on routes like 71, 73, 76 and 78 to Windsor and 84 and 87 the delays shouldn't be as bad on those routes and move LRCs and HEPs to Toronto-Ottawa trains
ReplyDeleteYes, they can and will eventually, A. I'm not sure how bad the daily delays are on the SW Ontario lines to Windsor and Sarnia. When I checked, those trains were 25-35 minutes late due to the CN-imposed crossing speed reductions. There are not as many trains in SW Ontario, and VIA's rotation counts on rotating trains from Ottawa-Toronto-SW Ontario, not operating all-different consists on each side of Toronto. Such a move would definitely affect VIA's maintenance schedule.
ReplyDeleteThanks for your comment,
Eric
Looks like they moved a lot of the equipment to 71-76 and 73-78 as I suspected
DeleteThey are going to have to really adjust the equipment rotation for the ventures whenever the next change is I could see the only Montreal Toronto trips 668 on Thursday nights and 63 on Friday mornings being scrapped altogether since they would be the most impacted since almost all of it's route is on CN Kingtson Subdivision.
ReplyDeleteFrank
Hi Frank,
ReplyDeleteThat 668-63 part of the rotation was begun back in May, 2024. Originally I believe it was to take a set to Montreal to allow for more maintenance. Not sure if that's still the case. VIA seems to be OK with the ongoing delays right now. A passenger revolt or Transport Canada regulation might change that.
Thanks for your comment,
Eric
Hey Eric, why do I feel like this won’t be resolved til after Christmas? Going to my gf’s parents on Christmas Eve on the 641 which is scheduled to be a venture set, which I’ve been looking forward to after being denied last Christmas. However arriving into Toronto on time to catch the first GO to Kitchener might be questionable.
ReplyDeleteHi Zackery,
ReplyDeleteMight be resolved by Christmas, might not. A lot of plates are spinning right now, and any of them could crash to the floor at any time. More than ever before, I would not anticipate any connections being made where VIA is involved.
Go out hoping for the best, but being prepared for the worst. Having said that, is any train trip not one of the best things in life?
Hope your trip goes well, and that these contentious issues will be resolved favourably sooner rather than later.
Thanks for your comment,
Eric